Gabriel I see it is active in Beta right now.

Thomas Timmers What does it mean? There is no public Beta option in Umbrella as far as I know.

Gabriel The option is clickable for me

Thomas Timmers Not for me, it´s greyed out. And it still says "coming soon", in your screenshot too.

Thomas Timmers After new login it is clickable for me too, but it´s still in beta and in my tests not reliable: screenshots often differ from the live website (before - after), but live website is 100% correct and therefore the rollback process is carried out automatically. At the moment this feature is more time consuming as a standard update. Hope this will be fixed futurely, otherwise for me unusable.

Gabriel ofc it is slower because there is many steps :D it was same with manageWP

Gabriel Luckily the fully automated rollback seems to be gone – there's an option for manual validation now.

The entire process is probably not quite finished yet, as a) user notification for possible errors is discreet and the screenshot utility can produce errors - website was perfectly fine when Umbrelly showed a “You are not allowed to visit this website" screenshot and calculated 14.65% changes :-D

Philippe Braun The screenshot comparison feature does not work on most of my websites, but they are all 100 % fine after the update. In my opinion the screenthos comparison is useless in most cases. One of the reasons could be, that in the moment where Umbrella takes the screenshot, the cookie consent banner or something else as pop-ups etc. are loading and this processes cannot load in the same second of taking screenshots before and after. Manual validation in advanced safe update seems to have glitches too (the advanced safe update feature is brandnew today and therefore it´s not tested yet for all customers), because I did an update with this option and the system did not ask me to validate the screenshots. In another case it asked me, I hit "Validate", but it brought me back to the bulk management page and indicated an error. Therefore I only use classic update at the moment, otherwise the feature is more time consuming than without it.

Russ Michaels In my opinion an automated routine cannot compare the public site with a staging site, too many functions too test and a script cannot dedect issues as I do. The most common safe update feature (as used in other monitoring software too and as planned by Umbrella) is: After hitting the update button the software safes the actual state of the website in a backup. After that the plugins etc. are being updated and if you dedect issues after the update process you can directly restore the former state before the update was made.

Furthermore I don´t want that my clients self-manage updates - this is the reason why I used ManageWP and now Umbrella. Self-managed updating sites by clients has led to many issues in the past up to fully site down times etc.

Gabriel That's why I'd be curious to see a comparison of how much CPU and RAM an Umbrella backup vs a ManageWP Orion backup uses. The ManageWP guys are quite proud of the fact that a lot of the processes run on their cloud, not on the client server.

Philippe Braun ManageWP data is being stores one one of the Amazon S3 Servers located in one of their data centers within the EU (if I choose EU as storage location instead of US, what I do because of GDPR etc.). I think what you mentioned is one aspect that it is faster to do it in the cloud, but additionally the web admin interface of Umbrella is way slower than ManageWP, I sometimes have to wait more than 10 seconds navigating between different menu links (Backups, WordPress Management etc.). I would like to use Umbrella instead of ManageWP, but I am struggling because of some crucial basic functions and usability.

Gabriel If Umbrella is much slower than ManageWP, I might have to reconsider switching. Looks like quite a bit of testing ahead when Umbrella's Safe Update will be ready. It would be nice, though, to work with a French team instead of GoDaddy!

Philippe Braun I want to use Umbrella too for several reasons (e. g. company and storage in the European Economic Area / EWR), but it must be fast, reliable and the most basic professional functions must be available(e. g. Safe Backup). Even If I had not all of the features of ManageWP, I would switch, if the essential features are available. But what I see definitely with 14 websites connected in a testing phase, that navigating in Umbrella backend is sometimes quite slow. I am looking forward to the safe backup feature and the new backup system which will be available this or next week. Let´s see if this new backup infrastructure is faster than now. I am missing for example such details as the size of the database and files in the backup info, which is a very important information for me. In my tests some backups hang for a few hours and stop in the middle.

Gabriel ManageWP/GoDaddy can at times also be crazy slow and unresponsive: right now a backup for two sites that have not been changed in weeks has been running for 15+ minutes. Also important security-relevant updates (ACF Pro 6.2.9 -> 6.2.10) are displayed very loosely: some sites show it on the ManagwWP dashboard, some only under the plugins tabs, some also under the security tab.

This is highly unreliable, and something I have high hopes for Umbrella to do better in the future.

Philippe Braun That´s basically true. But the development of essential features in Umbrella is quite slow. For example the safe update feature was announced half a year ago, but is not yet implemented. So "future" improvement could mean many months or years...without the safe update function I cannot use Umbrella alone, I use ManageWP simultaneously with Umbrella.